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Gold May Spike to $2000 in Medium Term

Gold can easily go up to $1500-$2000 in the medium-term, says Johann Santer, MD at Superfund Financial Hong Kong. As such, he tells CNBC’s Martin Soong that gold at $710 is a good entry point.

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Jim Sinclair’s Commentary

G20:

President Bush says that TRANSPARENCY is very important.

Will the Federal Reserve yield the secret details of the two trillion dollar bailout?

Health Care:

More than 90 percent of reasonably sized cities and towns in the USA would be insolvent if they were required to put up the cost of their commitment to provide health care for retired employees. TRANSPARENCY anyone?

Jim Sinclair’s Commentary

If they are making applications to the Fed it says loud and clear:

1. They cannot finance in the commercial paper market.

2. They are in trouble to some degree.

3. The commercial paper market still stinks and Lie-bor does not reflect much.

Textron, AEP Ask for Access to Commercial-Paper Fund (Update1)
By Robert Schmidt and Bryan Keogh

Nov. 14 (Bloomberg) — A group of companies including Textron Inc., Nissan Motor Co. and American Electric Power Co. is pressing the Federal Reserve to expand purchases of commercial paper to include them.

The coalition wants the Fed to go beyond top-rated paper and buy debt with the second-highest grade, two people said on condition of anonymity. American Electric Chief Financial Officer Holly Koeppel said the group is seeking to add more companies and preparing a letter to outline its case.

While accepting lower-grade debt could reduce borrowing costs for a broader group of companies, it would also expose the taxpayer to greater risk. The request is one of a number of attempts to get a share of federal rescues, with industries from automakers to heating-oil retailers seeking funds.

“We are really creating a mindset where no one fails,” said Adolfo Laurenti, a senior economist at Mesirow Financial Inc. in Chicago.

Second-tier issuers of commercial paper, debt that matures in nine months or less and is a form of IOU for day-to-day expenses such as payrolls and rent, argue they’re disadvantaged by the Fed’s new Commercial Paper Funding Facility.

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Jim Sinclair’s Commentary

Sounds reasonable to me.

Iran switches reserves to gold: report
Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:14am EST

TEHRAN (Reuters) – Iran has converted financial reserves into gold to avoid future problems, an adviser to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said in comments published on Saturday, after the price of oil fell more than 60 percent from a peak in July.

Iran, the world’s fourth-largest oil producer, is under U.N. and U.S. sanctions over its disputed nuclear programme and is now also facing declining revenue from its oil exports after crude prices tumbled.

"With the plans of the presidency…the country’s money reserves were changed into gold so that we wouldn’t be faced with many problems in the future," presidential adviser Mojtaba Samareh-Hashemi was quoted as saying by business daily Poul.

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Posted at 7:48 PM (CST) by & filed under Trader Dan Norcini.

Dear Friends,

Linked below is a set of charts detailing the latest Commitment of Traders reports from the CFTC. I have included some comments on the charts as is my custom but there are several things that stood out enough for me to mention separately.

First of all – – the commercial shorts (the bullion banks) now hold their smallest number of outright short positions in nearly 3 1/2 years. One has to go all the way back to August 2005 to find a lower number. They have liquidated a mind-boggling 220,000 contracts since the beginning of this year but even more importantly, they have covered 190,000 shorts since July of this year. From a peak of 358,802 in July, before the gold market fell apart, they have now reduced their outright shorts down to a mere 167,614 contracts.

Why is this important? It tells us that the selling in the Comex gold market has not been coming from the bullion banks. They have been buying since July. Now they might sell on occasions as the market rallies into a resistance zone and provide the intraday capping but they are not adding to those shorts. Instead they are taking them off immediately as soon as the market begins to sell off.

Who then is doing the selling at the Comex? The answer is provided by looking at the data. The commercial long category has liquidated 52,000 longs since September 9. Lumped within this category are some of the giant index funds. At this point we have no way of knowing exactly how much of the selling in this category is specifically related to the index funds but I would guess that at least 50% of it is. The trading funds have sold out 124,000 of their existing longs since July with the small spec category unloading 33,000 longs over that same period (Note – these numbers are all rounded off). Not to be forgotten, some of the trading funds have gone short.

What we are therefore witnessing is confirmation that the selling pressure in the paper gold market is coming from hedge fund deleveraging and index fund redemption requests alongside of the general public who have been abandoning the commodities sector. How much longer this selling can continue is open for debate but at some point the bulk of the redemption request selling will end as those who wish to get out of commodities will have done so. At that point the paper gold market will bottom. I submit that this will occur at or near the same time that the grain markets put in a concrete bottom. A bottom in the crude oil market will be further confirmation. When these things occur, the commodity markets will begin to trade their own specific set of fundamental factors instead of the one sided selling avalanches that have buried nearly all of them irrespective of their own supply/demand factors. Right now, the dynamic that marks the commodity world is money related selling irrespective of fundamental factors. Simply put – it is all a money game that we are currently witnessing. These things happen fairly regularly in the futures markets although not to the extent and scope that we are now observing. I have seen enough of this sort of action in my trading career to know that eventually fundamental factors reassert themselves but only after the money issues are exhausted.

Trader Dan

 

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Posted at 4:54 PM (CST) by & filed under General Editorial.

Dear Friends,

Let today be your answer to the many question concerning whether gold will ever rise again. The answer is it will to $1200 and then onward to $1650.

I suspect that we could soon have a financial/felony experience that could land on the dollar like a piece of lead.

I suspect that the instant the USDX breaks its present up-trend line from .72 to about .89, it will look like the dollar stepped into an elevator door and found no elevator there.

I suspect that the next move in gold will witness the massive short covering in all variety of shares, both majors and juniors.

Under no circumstances give away your insurance (gold and all things gold) and if you have then for your sake buy your insurance policy back ASAP (gold and all that is gold).

Gold is a currency that you will see perform as the currency of choice. There is no doubt we are headed into a planetary Weimar experience to some degree.

Dollars are being created faster now than in any other period in history. The Fed and treasury are guaranteeing everything from money market funds to large corporate entities in one way or another.

The first valuation of worthless OTC derivatives via a public sale of these at .0875 to .02 cents shocked anyone with a brain. Now the downturn in business is hitting financial entities and shortly litigation will smoke whatever is left.

The FDIC is already yelling for additional and significant funding from congress as their capital contracts on every Friday’s bailout and their responsibility to cover now goes to GE, a non-bank with no depositors.

People expect things to return to normal in 2010. That is a fairy tale.

All these bailouts and Federal guarantees on credit items constitute a white wash on a falling economic structure going out of control and soon.

The out of control point of major planetary dislocation is between today and 66 days from now.

INSURANCE ON SALE

Gold is the only viable insurance. The US dollar is not viable insurance because there is simply too much of it and that amount is growing every day. That makes the US dollar untrustworthy.

Gold is the only viable insurance. Clearly equities (with the exception of precious metals shares) are not.

Gold is the only viable insurance. US Treasury bills are not because the yelling at all the rating agencies in Washington today just might get US credit downgraded.

General commodities have been viable, but by nature they are too wild and from now on will be selective until Pakistan implodes and Weimar appears

Banks cannot offer insurance as they are in the main bankrupt.

Insurance companies cannot offer you sound insurance as they are now broke by OTC derivatives.

Money market funds are not insurance, making gold the only viable insurance.

Retirement programs are no longer insurance and with Motor’s bankruptcy pending they can simply disappear into Chapter 11.

Pensions are simply too large for the government agency to insure.

Jobs are no longer insurance as companies are run by lawyers and accountants.

Equity in your home is not insurance because it simply does not exist.

Your family is no longer insurance because they have the same problems you do.

The assumption your kids will take care of you in your old age is not viable insurance no matter what you think.

Gold has no liability attached to it and is therefore the only viable insurance as honest money.

Gold is universally exchangeable, making it the only viable insurance.

Gold has historically performed perfectly in maintaining buying power, making it the only viable insurance.

Gold is the only viable insurance because it is Honest Money without liability or agenda.

Since gold is the only viable insurance and because everyone needs it, gold will trade at levels of at least $1200 and $1650.

I could go on but gold is all there is that will protect you from the White Wash being applied to the Walking Dead entities by the Fed and Treasury on a structure that is in fact in a free fall.

I am not the least concerned about gold and believe you should not be either as long as you have no margin and understand what gold really is: the only honest currency and only historically functioning insurance policy. There is no other viable insurance in this most unusual situation.

Please review the Formula as the US Federal Budget is going ballistic as the TIC report contracts like a turtle into its shell.

Jim’s Formula:
September 1, 2006

  1. First interest rates rise affecting the drivers of the US economy, housing, but before that auto production goes from bull to a bear markets.
  2. This impacts many other industries and the jobs report. An economy is either rising at a rising rate or business activity is falling at an increasing rate. That is economic law 101. There is no such thing in any market as a Plateau of Prosperity or Cinderella – Goldilocks situations.
  3. We have witnessed the Dow rise on economic news indicating deceleration of activity. This continues until major corporations announced poor earnings, making the Dow fall faster than it rose, moving it deeply into the red.
  4. The formula economically is inherent in #2 which is lower economic activity equals lower profits.
  5. Lower profits leads to lower Federal Tax revenues.
  6. Lower Federal tax revenues in the face of increased Federal spending causes geometric, not arithmetic, rises in the US Federal Budget deficit. This is also true for cities & States as it is for the Federal government.
  7. The increased US Federal Budget deficit in the face of a US Trade Deficit increases the US Current Account Deficit.
  8. The US Current Account Balance is the speedometer of the money exiting the US into world markets (deficit)
  9. It is this deficit that must be met by incoming investment in the US in any form. It could be anything from businesses, equities to Treasury instruments. We are already seeing a fall off in the situation of developing nations carrying the spending habits of industrial nations; a contradiction in terms.
  10. If the investment by non US entities fails to meet the exiting dollars by all means, then the US must turn within to finance the shortfall.
  11. Assuming the US turns inside to finance all maturities, interest rates will rise with the long term rates moving fastest regardless of prevailing business conditions.
  12. This will further contract business activity and start a downward spiral of unparalleled dimension because the size of US debt already issued is of unparalleled dimension.

Therefore as you get to #12 you are automatically right back at #1. This is an economic downward spiral.
I heard all this “slow business” as negative to gold talk in the 70s. It was totally wrong then. It will be exactly the same now.

Respectfully yours,
Jim

Posted at 4:36 PM (CST) by & filed under Guild Investment.

Dear CIGAs,

THINGS CHANGE FAST

A few weeks ago many thought I was out of my mind.  I had the temerity to state that I thought that we were going into a depression, not a recession, and that the economic decline would last for two to three years.  Now, it looks like a few others are coming around to my view.  The chairman of Goldman Sachs recently said we are facing a banking crisis worse than the Great Depression.  The former chairman of the New York Stock Exchange said it is comparable to the Great Depression.

More and more are willing to admit the magnitude of the problem.  We continue to see a few Pollyanna types who want to see everything as sunny.  For them, we have the following outlook.  In our opinion, things will get sunny and big buying opportunities will periodically develop, but they will be interspersed with big declines, and a lot of hand wringing.

IT WAS PROBABLY MORE THAN SIX YEARS AGO THAT WE FIRST STARTED TO WARN IN THESE MEMOS ABOUT THE TOXIC EFFECTS OF DERIVATIVES.  IT WAS ABOUT ONE AND A HALF YEARS AGO THAT DERIVATIVES CONNECTED WITH MORTGAGES BEGAN TO MELT DOWN

Unfortunately, we do not believe that this is not the end of the derivative problem.  A bigger problem looms on the horizon.  Derivatives are still being created everyday.  Often, they are created by people who are just as greedy and self deluded, as those who created the mountain of mortgage derivatives that have brought the system to its knees.  If the current unexploded mountain of derivatives were to implode, (as those derivatives connected to mortgage bonds did) the crisis could become much worse.

LET US SUMMARIZE

Derivatives and bonds connected to mortgage assets have collapsed, bringing the world banking system to its knees.  Many other types of derivatives have not imploded, but may do so.

In the case of mortgage bond derivatives, they exacerbated an already serious collapsing mortgage bubble.  The mortgage derivatives caused the destruction of the PACKAGERS OF MORTGAGE DERIVATIVES, also known as INVESTMENT BANKS, who drank the poisoned wine along with their clients.

In one year, the entire industry of large investment banks dissolved.  They failed and/or were forced to become bank holding companies.  This is the most astounding effect imaginable.  It happened because the investment banks, believed the absurd valuations that they and rating agencies, had given to toxic assets (mortgage derivatives) which they held.

Eventually, some investors started to listen to analysts like Jim Sinclair, myself and others.   A few investors began to grasp the absurdity of the mortgage derivative valuations, and the extent of the self delusion that investment banks and their clients were living under.

TODAY, ANOTHER EQUALLY BIG PROBLEM LOOMS ON THE HORIZON

This new problem stems from bonds (and derivatives on bonds) connected to consumer loans.  Just as they did with mortgages, investment banks packaged pools of AUTO LOANS, CREDIT CARD DEBT, and STUDENT LOANS into derivatives.  In our opinion, these too will eventually implode when the weak economy causes many borrowers to default on their loans.  It is no mystery why Secretary Paulson yesterday announced, that he wanted to help consumer finance companies.  The obvious reason is that bad debts on auto loans, credit cards, etc., are the next bond and derivative bomb waiting to explode.

DERIVATIVES THAT DO NOT HAVE TO EXPLODE

A third type of derivative is based on commodities and stocks, and speculation in commodities and stocks.  These are known as options and futures on stocks and commodities.  In many cases they are transparent and the underlying assets are liquid.

RATING AGENCIES

The rating agencies are another immense scandal.  They operate in a field filled with conflicts of interest.  We predict that they will be dismantled, sued, and may be hounded out of existence.

LOOKING BACK AT THE PERIOD FROM 1929-1942

The U.S. stock market peaked in October 1929 at about 381 on the Dow Jones Industrial Average.  It bottomed 2 years and 9 months later in July 1932, at about 41…a decline of almost 90%. 

Then a rally began.  Over the next four years, the Dow went up over 300%.  In our opinion, we should be looking for a big long term bottom sometime in the next year.  From that bottom, we believe that the market could rally for prolonged period and rise substantially.

WHAT WE SUGGEST

In our opinion, during the correction phases, and when the market gets cheap over the next year or more, investors should search for value globally, and buy: growth stocks in several countries, gold shares, undervalued currencies, and commodities.

 

Thanks for listening.
Monty Guild and Tony Danaher
www.GuildInvestment.com

Posted at 3:22 PM (CST) by & filed under Uncategorized.

Jim,

The graphical representation of the Formula illustrates an accelerating down trend. Yet despite this fact gold investors, possibly CIGAs, continue to display fear and lack of conviction. It is this fear and disorganization that allows bullion banks to pick our pockets regardless of the fundamentals. Anger turned inward makes for easy prey. Anger turned outward creates formidable opposition.

You two are the conduit for turning that anger outward. I just handle the Z scores.

Have a nice evening,
CIGA Eric

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Dear Mr. Sinclair,

Is this at all possible? Could you comment please?

Thank you,
CIGA N

The G-20’s Secret Debt Solution
by Larry Edelson   11-13-08

If you think this weekend’s G-20 meetings in Washington are only about designing short-term fixes to the financial system and regulatory reforms for banks, hedge funds, brokers, mortgage companies and investment banks … think again.

Behind the scenes, a far more fundamental fix is being discussed — the possible revaluation of gold and the birth of an entirely new monetary system.

I’ve been studying this issue in great depth, all my life. And given the speed at which the financial crisis is unfolding, I would be very surprised if what I’m about to tell you now is not on the G-20 table this weekend.

Furthermore, I believe the end result will make my $2,270 price target for gold look conservative, to say the least. You’ll see why in a minute.

First, the G-20’s motive for a new monetary system: It’s driven by and based upon this very simple proposition …

“If we can’t print money fast enough to fend off another deflationary Great Depression, then let’s change the value of the money.”

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Dear CIGA N,

Maybe not in this form, but at some time this will happen. Gold will basically be a control factor. That is a form of FRGCR.

I rather doubt that the G20 will do much other than yell and scream at each other for more Quantitative Easing from Washington in their area of economic concern.

I have learned never to say never with respect to other’s opinions.

I doubt it, now.

Regards,
Jim

Posted at 1:53 AM (CST) by & filed under In The News.

A note to our Russian Readers:

You have an exceptional opportunity to stop the decline in the value of the Ruble and elevate it to a reserve currency through the following conversion opportunities:

1.Partial convertibility in gold at $1035.
2.Partial convertibility in crude oil at $147 per barrel.
3.Partial convertibility into a basket of crude and gold.
4.A full convertibility of the above.
5.A form of the Federal Reserve Gold Certificate Ratio that I have written about many times.
6.Same as above with all new sovereign bond issues.

All of this is much more effective than the failed attempts to stabilize.

When a currency has a convertibility aspect to it, conversion almost never occurs.

Jim Sinclair’s Commentary

This scholarly missive written by a fellow who truly understands speaking the language of the initiated presents the non conversion of Monetary Base into M2.

That may be another reason that the US Treasury and the Fed have moved to QS. If QS in fact does pump money directly to those most apt to spend it, converting Monetary Base into M2 and accelerating it, then watch inflation roar as business decelerates to the downside to some degree. Of course there will be things like putting GE’s financing under a FDIC guarantee. Does anyone put their funds into the GE Bank & Trust? There isn’t one so what is the FDIC doing guaranteeing debt with its quickly deteriorating balance sheet and for how much is the guarantee per $1000 bond? I suspect they are 100% guaranteed.

Don’t forget one of the tools of attempted repair inthe1930s was an increase in the price of gold to offset the deflationary thinking and create more money for stimulation methods that unfortunately failed.

QS might work to some degree and that may be why US equities did a key reversal today.

Technical Factors

Perhaps the most important driver of the US dollars recent appreciation is not a fundamental but a technical factor. The meltdown of prices in the commodity complex, particularly energy, has generated a very strong impulse for US dollar strength. Whilst many commodity end-users were outright cash buyers, other buyers that were investing or speculating in commodities as a newfound asset class over the past five years would typically fund their position with US dollar-denominated credit, in effect, creating a US dollar short position. Now that these commodity carry trades are being unwound, it exacerbates commodity weakness and contributes to US dollar strength. In addition, US investments in foreign markets, particularly equities, were primarily un-hedged and large amounts of those monies are now being repatriated which holds similar bullish US dollar effects.

Dollar Strength Sustainability
How sustainable are these four fundamental and technical factors in underpinning US dollar strength?

The trade and current account deficits should continue to narrow for several more months or perhaps quarters. As the US economy falls deeper into recession, imports should begin to decline more precipitously due to declining volume. This collapse along with rising export receipts will narrow the trade deficit and continue to lend support to the US dollar.

Despite the US dollar supportive narrowing of the trade and current account deficit, the pace of improvement may begin to slow for several reasons. First, once the prices of energy and other commodities stabilize, trends in import prices will no longer help lower overall import expenditures. Furthermore, stabilized import prices will also stop contributing to improved terms-of-trade. Second, it seems that a synchronized global recession is on the horizon. If so, then exports will once again decelerate despite US dollar competitiveness. As the growth of economies representing our important export markets slows or even falls into recession, weaker export growth will result. The combined effect of these counter-veiling trends is that the incipient narrowing of the US trade deficit may be short lived.

Perhaps the key factor will be the length of the time it takes for global de-leveraging to run its course. No one knows precisely how long it will take for investors and speculators to unwind US dollar-denominated commodity and other carry trades. It could be one month or half a year. However, once complete, the strongest driver for recent US dollar strength de-leveraging — will dissipate. At that juncture, FX traders and investors will once again re-focus their attention on the supply of US dollars being pumped into the US economy and on the global system and investors willingness to hold additional Greenbacks in their portfolio.

The weight of US dollar supply
It is beyond the scope of this paper to itemize the growing cumulative costs of the various aspects of the bailout. Suffice to say that the supply of US dollars is dramatically growing and measured in the trillions. To best measure this aggregate growth, lets look at the growth of the Feds balance sheet and the monetary base.

After remaining relatively stable for more than a year through August 2008 at around $825 billion, the monetary base has exponentially exploded. BCA has recently highlighted that in the past eight weeks, the monetary base has grown 38% to $1.142 trillion, and shows no signs of slowing down.1 Yet these reserves injected onto the balance sheets of the banks have not been disseminated into the broader economy. This is apparent by the ratio of M2 to base money, which over the same time period since end August, has plummeted from 9.1 to 7.8 (see Charts 1 & 2). This is not surprising since most of the capital injected into banks has been used to repair and shrink the balance sheet (i.e., write-off bad assets) rather than expand it. So fractional bankings normal stimulatory impact through the money multiplier has by-in-large not been activated.

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Jim Sinclair’s Commentary

The paper market for gold will NOT be able to hold back this type of demand, but will try as long as their warehouse remains capable of supporting their devious destructive machinations to pick your pocket in order to fill theirs. For your information, my wife and I were members of the Comex.

I respectfully ask you to take delivery of your positions as you can afford to. Why pay wild premiums to buy gold when you can buy a nearby gold future at no premium and take delivery?

Gold rush
Benjamin Scent
Friday, November 14, 2008

The mainland is seriously considering a plan to diversify more of its massive foreign-exchange reserves into gold, a person familiar with the situation told The Standard.

Beijing is considering changing its asset allocations during the financial tsunami in order to build up gold reserves "in a big way," the source said.

China’s fears about the long-term viability of parking most of its reserves in US government bonds were triggered by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson’s US$700 billion (HK$5.46 trillion) bailout plan, which may make the US budget deficit balloon to well over US$1 trillion this fiscal year.

The US government will fund the bailout by printing new money or issuing huge amounts of new debt, either of which will put severe pressure on the value of the greenback and on government bond yields.

The United States holds 8,133.5 tonnes of gold reserves valued at US$188.23 billion. China holds gold reserves of just 600 tonnes, worth only US$13.89 billion.

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Jim Sinclair’s Commentary

This alone creates at least a very strange situation that the legislative now wants to see. Can you imagine what the Obama Administration will do to get both the Fed and the USA Treasury to come clean?

I would suggest that both the Fed and the Treasury have no hope of hiding the facts in a short period of time.

A word of advice to those presently concerned by the lack of oversight:

The matter might be good to face up to while the Bush Administration can still issue Presidential pardons.

Bailout Lacks Oversight Despite Billions Pledged
Watchdog Panel Is Empty; Report Is Unfinished
By Amit R. Paley
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, November 13, 2008; A01

In the six weeks since lawmakers approved the Treasury’s massive bailout of financial firms, the government has poured money into the country’s largest banks, recruited smaller banks into the program and repeatedly widened its scope to cover yet other types of businesses, from insurers to consumer lenders.

Along the way, the Bush administration has committed $290 billion of the $700 billion rescue package.

Yet for all this activity, no formal action has been taken to fill the independent oversight posts established by Congress when it approved the bailout to prevent corruption and government waste. Nor has the first monitoring report required by lawmakers been completed, though the initial deadline has passed.

"It’s a mess," said Eric M. Thorson, the Treasury Department’s inspector general, who has been working to oversee the bailout program until the newly created position of special inspector general is filled. "I don’t think anyone understands right now how we’re going to do proper oversight of this thing."

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Jim Sinclair’s Commentary

The French just figured this out. No, it is a statement to the USA to stop trying to run things at this type of gather.

Sarkozy-US dollar no longer only currency in world

11.13.08, 06:49 AM EST

PARIS, Nov 13 (Reuters) – The U.S. dollar can no longer claim to be the only currency in the world, French President Nicolas Sarkozy said on Thursday ahead of a Washington meeting of G20 leaders to discuss the international financial system.

‘I am leaving tomorrow for Washington to explain that the dollar cannot claim to be the only currency in the world…, that what was true in 1945 can no longer be true today,’ he said at a prizegiving ceremony.

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Jim Sinclair’s Commentary

Beggars never stop begging. This is all about OTC derivatives and most certainly not the false flag of mortgages. The OTC derivatives broke them and caused this total disaster rather than a simple recession.

Freddie seeks gov’t aid after $25.3B loss
Friday November 14, 2:38 pm ET
By Alan Zibel, AP Real Estate Writer

Freddie Mac seeking $13.8B in government aid after posting 3rd-quarter loss of $25.3 billion

WASHINGTON – Freddie Mac is asking for an initial injection of $13.8 billion in government aid after posting a massive quarterly loss Friday.

The mortgage finance company is making the first request to tap the $200 billion promised by the Treasury Department to keep it and sibling company Fannie Mae afloat after the two were seized by federal regulators in September. Freddie Mac said it expects to receive the money by Nov. 29.

The McLean, Va.-based company posted a loss of $25.3 billion, or $19.44 per share, for the third quarter. The results compare with a loss of $1.2 billion, or $2.07 a share, in the year-ago period.

Analysts were divided about whether Fannie and Freddie’s losses would ultimately exceed the government’s $200 billion pledge. And that may partly depend on the extent to which Fannie and Freddie are used by the government as a tool to ease the foreclosure crisis.

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